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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2011 15:09:17 GMT -5
Okay, this writing contest will be run a little differently. I'm not sure how we'll run it, so I'm going to ask for a little public discussion.
1) DO WE INCLUDE RULES, THEMES, BOTH, OR NONE?
2) SHOULD THIS CONTEST WRITE A COMPLETE SHORT STORY EVERY ROUND, CONTINUE AS IT WAS, OR MAKE IT PLAYS?
3) SHOULD WE CHANGE THE VOTING METHOD?
4) SHOULD WE MAKE THE STORIES ANONYMOUS TO PREVENT AGAINST BIASED OPINIONS?
5) TARDINESS?
6) CLEARER RULES?
7) NO ADDING MEMBERS DURING WRITING PERIOD?
8) MONITOR APPROPRIATE STORIES?
Discuss your thoughts.
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Post by Golden Emblem on Sept 20, 2011 15:27:31 GMT -5
1. I'm not too sure. I definitely say strike out the rules, but as far as the themes go... I think they're a nice touch to add a bit of thinking to your chapter, but I really don't want to have vaginas as a theme again.
2. Either is great.
3. No.
4. Yes.
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Post by pyroflasher on Sept 20, 2011 16:08:13 GMT -5
1. Yes there should be rule and theme. I feel the rule adds a strategic edge to the contest, which separates it from other writing contests out there. They give a unique ToM feeling. Themes can also be incredibly creatively stimulating.
2. I'm for either complete stories each round OR the old format. As far as plays go, I'm not so sure. I mean, yeah it's my preferred format, because I'm studying it. But I think it might put be people at a disadvantage if they don't know the format well. I think people should be able to stick to the format they're best at so that no one is disadvantaged.
3. Voting Method seems to work, but there should be a lock on registering during voting periods so that there's no spam votes.
4.YES FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YES.
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Post by Cetasaurus on Sept 20, 2011 17:20:30 GMT -5
I'd want rules and themes. Especially rules.
I don't care if it's individual stories or one whole story, but I don't know anything about writing plays...
I think the voting method is good as is. Then no one holds complete power when it comes to judging.
Anonymity sounds pretty good. The idea of everyone knowing which story I posted doesn't really bother me, but I think I would like it even better if they didn't.
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2011 17:37:08 GMT -5
Okay, so far it looks like we're probably going to go with anonymous stories and keeping the voting method as is. This can all change if someone suggests something different.
And it also looks like there's a vibe against plays. So maybe we'll back away from those.
Any further objections people want to make?
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2011 17:39:08 GMT -5
Also, should we add a way to forgive tardiness? (Sorry for the double post)
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Post by Hauskaz on Sept 20, 2011 17:42:46 GMT -5
I would like the criticisms here addressed. |
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Post by Hayley Elizabeth on Sept 20, 2011 17:47:41 GMT -5
Yay, a new writing contest!  |
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2011 17:52:56 GMT -5
Tyler - We'll probably close off ToM entry for the duration of the contest, I'll work my best to state the rules better, and prior to the beginning of the contest, all rules will be posted publicly for the group to decide how we feel about them, clear ambiguity, and address concerns before the contest begins.
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Post by Golden Emblem on Sept 20, 2011 17:57:40 GMT -5
I'd like to propose that we have a rule that monitors that stories are appropriate; meaning that people don't enter just to be trolls.
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Post by daryl1730 on Sept 20, 2011 18:02:08 GMT -5
Rules and themes, with the rule that neither can be a rule or theme from any previous contest, and also each person can skip exactly one rule or theme. And rules or themes can be skipped only with unanimous agreement from everyone still in the contest except the person whose rule/theme is.
Up to the author to submit short stories each round or just updated chapters.
No, but don't allow accounts created after the start of the competition to vote. Or accounts with under 5 posts. Make the list of people who voted public at the end, while keeping their actual votes private.
Yes. With you, the poster of anonymous stories, abstaining from voting.
Rules should be unambiguous as possible. Tardiness is fine as long as it's in before voting begins. Do not monitor.
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Post by daryl1730 on Sept 20, 2011 18:03:16 GMT -5
I'd like to propose that we have a rule that monitors that stories are appropriate; meaning that people don't enter just to be trolls. Also I do not agree with this. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2011 18:19:55 GMT -5
I'd like to propose that we have a rule that monitors that stories are appropriate; meaning that people don't enter just to be trolls. Also I do not agree with this. I can see why this rule would be proposed. More than a fair share of stories have reached the contest that have been crafted out of a love of trolling. I've been at the shit end of more than enough barkings to know that not everyone laughs at a good trollin. I don't know how everyone else feels, but I'm considering this. |
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Post by Golden Emblem on Sept 20, 2011 18:20:02 GMT -5
I'd like to propose that we have a rule that monitors that stories are appropriate; meaning that people don't enter just to be trolls. Also I do not agree with this. Oh, I'm stunned. Why? |
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Post by daryl1730 on Sept 20, 2011 18:33:15 GMT -5
I don't like censors. Not to mention, if you included one, then it would be the means by which trolls stirred up controversy in this competition. Every time it's something: A loophole in the rules, an inconsistency in behavior by the moderator of the competition, vote rigging. This time it would be the censors. Are they really -that- big an issue, anyways, especially with the categorical winners introduced in the last competition?
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Post by Admin on Sept 20, 2011 18:40:39 GMT -5
I don't like censors. Not to mention, if you included one, then it would be the means by which trolls stirred up controversy in this competition. Every time it's something: A loophole in the rules, an inconsistency in behavior by the moderator of the competition, vote rigging. This time it would be the censors. Are they really -that- big an issue, anyways, especially with the categorical winners introduced in the last competition? Last contest I was patient and inviting with the subject matter the lord troll provided. His participation in the contest caused a shitstorm of angry ACTIVE members behind the scenes. So to answer your question, yes. It's that big of an issue. |
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Post by Hauskaz on Sept 21, 2011 17:44:00 GMT -5
I am also against the censor. I think it will do little to combat trolling while introducing bias to the contest. I feel anonymity would be a more effective method.
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Post by Admin on Sept 22, 2011 14:20:03 GMT -5
I am also against the censor. I think it will do little to combat trolling while introducing bias to the contest. I feel anonymity would be a more effective method. The censor wouldn't be a direct sensor of stories, per se, but just a way to remove troll stories from the contest. If a certain number (probably a larger number) calls Troll on one of the posted stories, then the story is removed from play. But throw anonymity in there, and it's two condoms for protection. People can complain about troll stories without those stories actually having a person attached to the trolling, so it keeps it from being personal. That's my idea. |
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Post by Hayley Elizabeth on Sept 22, 2011 14:54:31 GMT -5
If a majority of people want a story removed for trolling, then wouldn't it just not get enough votes and be eliminated anyway? It seems like it wouldn't make a difference, but I guess it wouldn't hurt. I don't really care either way though.  |
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Post by Hauskaz on Sept 22, 2011 16:56:10 GMT -5
Two condoms is actually less effective, and your proposed measure seems redundant for the reason Hayley specified. |
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Post by Griffin on Sept 22, 2011 22:16:42 GMT -5
Except in instances like this when a legitimate story like Connor's gets voted down over a story like "so, I don't actually care enough to write anything". That doesn't sit well with me. So I support the "vote it troll" movement. Along with anonymity. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 23, 2011 14:12:51 GMT -5
So, points of disagreement aside, we CAN say that anonymity is in, correct?
Anything else we can all agree upon?
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Post by Hauskaz on Sept 23, 2011 17:22:15 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Celia on Sept 24, 2011 18:46:28 GMT -5
i DO like the anonymous idea; I know we've faced forms of bias in the past.
however, I do NOT like the censorship idea. troll stories are an integral part of our writing contests. the stories that are useless never make it to the end anyway. besides, sometimes troll stories are actually very good. take Lesbian Vampires for example, which was rather good.
perhaps instead we should actually enforce whatever rules we apply. our lack of doing so was the reason that IDCETWA existed past the first round at all.
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Post by Hauskaz on Sept 24, 2011 20:01:06 GMT -5
Celia hit the nail on the head here.
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Post by Admin on Sept 26, 2011 9:32:05 GMT -5
I'm going to have to poll everyone. Majority can rule on this issue.
Anything else that seems like a given to include?
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Post by Cetasaurus on Sept 26, 2011 21:42:08 GMT -5
Well no plagiarizing seems like a given...
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Post by daryl1730 on Sept 27, 2011 0:06:00 GMT -5
No breaking Proboards ToS
No vote rigging (Multiple accounts / telling people how to vote / trying to influence another)
No telling other people in private which story is yours (Yeah, right)
No bitching over the fact that a story you dislike exists
To you: No doing anything involving authority not granted to you by the rules laid out beforehand
Make it clear that the voting poll set up and take down day is purposely ambiguous and can happen any time within a certain time range, without warning, and to be eligible your story must be submitted before this time
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2011 6:50:54 GMT -5
KM8) I think we can all agree on that.
Daryl) The first one is a given.
Vote rigging falls under the same category as "Okay, yeahhhh. Nobody will influence anyone else."
Not disclosing which story is yours is going to be another blatantly obvious rule that can't be enforced, even when some people will obviously break it. That's why I'm hoping for an anti-trolling method. We'll let the polls decide how that falls.
I'm going to do what I need to do, but as for me being as unbiased as possible, I'll do my best to abstain from any activities influencing the contest.
And the last point... it's pretty good, I agree.
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Post by Admin on Oct 5, 2011 7:30:12 GMT -5
Okay, this'll start up soon. Gonna put the polls up for the rules that people are divided on.
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